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« on: November 08, 2011, 09:03:11 am »

Here is a good one.

Play the game without pre measurement. This is rad! Its how me and my buddies are playing it and makes it an adult game.

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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2011, 01:26:03 pm »

Given that range guessing was one of the things I hated about Warhammer, I'll put this on a "hate" list for me.  (And I was one of the ones in our group who was good at ranging.)  To do it correctly, you have to add a handful of clarifying rules.  (For example, the rules for determining a charge -- it you're not in range, how specifically to move, etc.  Plus, it can only hurt the attacker, whereas in WFB a defender could choose to flee from an attack that couldn't reach him, so there was at least a chance he could screw up too.)

The fact is that estimating ranges is a skill that can be honed, and some people are good at it and some just aren't and won't be.  When GW chose it as a factor upon which to base outcomes of games, rather than adding some sort of command and control/fog of war mechanism, it was a bad decision.  It is still a bad decision.

The best way to introduce the "fog of war" into KoW is already built into it: timed games.  That will cause players to make tactical mistakes and make the game fun, while also encouraging it to be played quickly.

The simplicity of design is really very elegant -- possibly even more so than Alessio realized when he was making it.
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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2011, 09:10:30 pm »

Disagree, If your not in range for a charge you can't charge = advance order only.

When GW took it out it was one of the big things that experienced gamers in Aus hated the most as it meant a lot of the skill in spacing was taken out.

When I play KoW with out Pre Measure they love it. And now I have them playing again.
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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2011, 10:19:06 pm »

Different people like to play different ways I guess, I like being able to measure in advance but I think I might try it out your way next time and see if it's more fun or not.
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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2011, 09:24:16 am »

When GW took it out it was one of the big things that experienced gamers in Aus hated the most as it meant a lot of the skill in spacing was taken out.

I agree with Llew. If I wanted to sit around eye-balling measurements I'd be a carpenter. Random charges is the best change to WH 8th IMO, and it's a shame KoW doesn't have it.

Another thing WH does better than KoW is the new movement phase rules. KoW basically uses the WH 6th/7th movement rules for changing direction and terrain and TBH it's doesn't make for an interesting game.
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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2011, 10:00:07 am »

While I'm not a fan of range-guessing, I also can't stand random charge distances... the rule just slows things down, and swings the game further in the direction of "crazy randomness, dump a bucket of dice on the table and see who gets more sixes!" kinda gameplay that I dislike.

I like KoW exactly as it currently is.
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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2011, 10:08:52 am »

IMO the movement changes and pre-measure is what made so many rage quitters of 8th. The movement restrictions in KOW mean you have to be spot on with your deployment and have a overall game plan before you start. If you can force you opponent to change their strategy your half way there.

When you use no pre-measure just some Gentalmen rules before you roll a dice:
1. If you delare your going to shot at a target and its out of range the shot is wasted.
2. If you fail a charge you have to move your full Advance move making any direction adjustments. (Yes this could mean your left with your ass hanging out but serves you right!)
3. Agree with you before you roll the dice where you take measurement from: I play centre of the model.

That's about it. If you have been playing for a while it doesn't change much to the game because you know most of it. But there will come a time when you miss by a hairs dick.... then you have my permission to curse my name.
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