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1  Warpath / General Warpath Discussion / Re: Congrats to a Fanatic! on: September 03, 2011, 07:14:56 pm
Cngratulations! Its a cool name, should be a good box set!
2  Warpath / General Warpath Discussion / Re: So what have you ordered? on: August 29, 2011, 01:59:42 pm
I have pre-ordered gaarew's penis.

It won't be ready for delivery until his wife finds the receipt for his next purchase.

You want to be careful growing that army...
3  Warpath / General Warpath Discussion / Re: So what have you ordered? on: August 29, 2011, 02:58:05 am
I agree this is very interesting that a lot of us seem to be mostly fantasy players/collectors and have a bit less interest in Warpath than KoW. Shows that Mantic definitely needs to keep KoW releases up on the side. I wonder if that means there will be a bunch of new regulars/fanatics who are sci-fi only? And would we have to mingle with them?? Tongue
4  Warpath / General Warpath Discussion / Re: So what have you ordered? on: August 27, 2011, 07:37:38 am
I'm very short on cash at the moment.
Despite defending the strategy, I am in the camp of not ordering until I have seen most of the contents at least.
I have loads and loads of models already, and so many projects that still need completing, plus so little room for more stuff.
(Very small concern) I have been recently disenchanted by the restic material.
In my experience, Mantic always beats their own initial deals a few weeks later with better stuff.

All those combine to me ordering nothing yet. I continue to be a big fan, I love the few models shown so far and I will admire them very much online, but I haven't decided whether I will buy or not. I would like a small sample of everything, a starter set so to speak, like Darsc. But even when that comes out (I have no doubt it will) I will have to think about whether I can justify the cost sadly. My gaming group only plays fantasy and probably won't start a new sci-fi game as well.

Despite all that logic, over the next few months who knows. Something may tempt me and push me to buy some. Additionally, I really hope that it is a great success, and it looks like it will be!
5  Painting & Modelling / Conversion Corner / Re: Restic Problems? on: August 26, 2011, 02:03:27 pm
Hey there strewart. First I've got to admit I haven't yet assembled ANY of my many restic units. However when I got my gores I did try some dry fitting, and like your experience, was a bit worried about the way the heads were designed as multiple pieces. They did appear to be awkwardly designed as they seemed to make a poor fit, leaving those gaps you mentioned.

I had hoped those would disappear when I properly assemble them. I am a bit disturbed by your experience though, especially about the superglue not holding. What brand were you using? I'm wondering how a superglue gel or epoxy might work.

Yeah sadly the big gaps have stayed... I think there is a certainly mouth and head that goes best with a certain body and the gaps are minimalised, but then you end up with only two different models. And they still have gaps anyway. I'm hoping to fill most with glue or paint rather than having to actually do sculpting, but it will look weird. I am using good quality, brand new selley's superglue, so thats not the problem. One suggestion, make sure you put the mouths in the heads before putting them on the bodies or you will have lots of troubles getting them to stick.

Don't get me wrong about the detail, its not bad. The fur could be much better, I'm just saying I think the exact same level of detail and probably even better could be achieved in normal plastic. I know setup for that is expensive, but given the amount they expected to sell it would have been worth it. For something that was sculpted for metal or a material of equal detail, I just think they could have been better.

Hi Strewart, I only have the Revenant Knights so far. There were a few minor problems like the hoof pegs not lining up with the base holes, but for the most part everything fit together very well. I hope there isn't a problem with the Gore molds... Like you I had to wait a long time for the superglue to bond the material. At the time I though it was just because my bottle of glue was over 6 months old, am no longer sure now. But the bond, now that it's dried, seem perfectly fine.

I just used clippers on the 'flashing', seemed to work very well. Wishing you the best of luck with the Gores, they sure look beautiful according the ads I've seen!

Gerry

The hoof pegs do not line up with the metals on the revenant knights either so thats not a unique problem. I imagine metal might be easier to bend to the right place than restic though, I'm not sure how much 'memory' the material has. Yes once the bond has dried, it certainly seems strong enough, just a strangely long time to get it to bond which is unfortunate.
I agree, the photos of the gores look great. I will have to have a look at them more closely and compare to what I have to see how they compare.

Haven't assembled my wraiths/rev cav yet.

Question for you guys, are you rinsing the models before assembly? I'm wondering if the super glue issue is being caused by mould release.

No, I did no rinsing. I might try that with the next lot, but they didn't appear to have loose flash or feel greasy at all, and I didn't taste any release agent (nobody ask me why I licked one.... Undecided) so I figured they wouldn't need it. That could well account for some of the long drying time, though to be honest I doubt it.
6  Painting & Modelling / Conversion Corner / Restic Problems? on: August 26, 2011, 06:09:22 am
Having heard the praises sung of this material for months, I finally got a chance to handle it, and I have to admit that I am not overly impressed. Sad I am playing with the orc gore cavalry by the way, haven't got to the orcs yet just assembling the gores.

First impression was good. Only a couple of small mold lines, very little cleaning work to do. Thats nice. The material is very hard though, the couple of thicker injection points that needed cutting off were very tough and my hobby knife struggled. I definitely prefer a slightly softer material, and wasn't expecting it to be so hard.

It doesn't seem to like superglue very much... I hold to hold the pieces together very firmly for a longer period of time than I was expecting to, and even then a few came apart when I let them go. All are held now though.

Detail was not as fine and sharp as I was expecting, especially when looking at the pictures. I'm pretty sure on the gores there aren't any undercuts either, and with detail as is they could very easily be made exactly the same in normal plastic. In fact, they would probably be better in plastic.

I also found there were pretty large gaps that will need filling, most significantly around the neck where the head attaches to the body the fit is not too good, but on a couple there is a large gap along the back where the two halves go together, and a large gap on the underside (not as much of a problem). This was probably the most disappointing part for me, a fair bit of GS fixing will be required that I definitely did not expect.

Having said all that, it is far preferable to metal in almost every way. Metal is harder to glue and likes superglue less, metal is harder to cut and work with, its got more mold line, and also always requires GS. Maybe my expectations were just really high? Maybe the revenant knights just worked much better in restic than the gore riders? From playing with this material and these models, I struggle to believe that the same material could replicate the extremely fine detail of the metal revenant knights I have, but I haven't seen them in restic so I definitely cannot judge.

Any tips on working with this stuff? Am I being fair or overly harsh? I was really expecting more detail and less gap filling with them. But of course, I haven't opened the riders yet so they could be much better or have the same problems, I don't know yet.
7  Forum Issues / Forum Suggestions / Re: First unread on: July 28, 2011, 08:09:41 am
On the right of a topic if there is unread stuff, I have a little blue icon that says 'new'. That takes me to the first unread post. Would seem to be what you are after?
8  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Mantic Journal 4 on: July 28, 2011, 08:07:41 am
Yeah I got mine a few days ago, you should get it soon. subs were for 4 journals.
9  Kings of War / Orcs / Re: Moraxes! on: July 20, 2011, 06:21:47 am
Agree, the axes look a bit too big for Mantic models. But aside from that, they are pretty cool looking. I'm looking forward to receiving them so I have a bit more head variety with my horde. I won't quite be able to match 250, but 150 is still a decent number of orcs. Wink And Darsc, you going with green? I am definitely leaning toward finding a colour besides green for the skin of my orcs as a few others have.
10  Kings of War / Orcs / Re: Photos of the orcs? on: July 11, 2011, 04:13:13 am
Yikes... The greataxes are not very nice to assemble. The one with an arm already attached is going to be difficult to put together 10 times. I got the arms into a nice pose where both hands were actually holding the weapon properly, then went to put the head on, and there was no room for it around the weapon. Looks like the right arm needs to go lower, so its not held all that well in both hands in order for the head to actually fit. The other body works ok, but its going to have fairly limited poses really. I also don't know why they didn't use pegs with the greataxe arms and joints, it would be perfect to help do dry runs and much more useful than the pegs on the normal orc sprues!

These are going to be more of a challenge to assemble than I thought overall. The ones I have managed to complete do look nice though.
11  Kings of War / Orcs / Re: Photos of the orcs? on: July 09, 2011, 04:12:01 am
They look good, thanks for the link!
12  Kings of War / Orcs / Photos of the orcs? on: July 08, 2011, 03:37:14 pm
Hey guys. I now have about 85 orcs to assemble, and more to come. I was looking around trying to find decent photos of ones already done by others. I want to spend a fair bit of time with these guys and make them pretty unique and good looking, but there seems to be not many photos of them around. I'd love to go for a unique colour scheme with them, but I think I will have to play around with a few myself.

One of the problems is tossing up between trying to get dynamic poses, and making sure I have models that will rank up nicely. I am thinking with the normal orcs, I can make all of one column of each unit left handed by using the model that doesn't have weapon attached, then both sides of the unit will have shields facing outwards which should look good. All the left handed ones will need converted heads to be looking the other way though, and the arms for those ones don't really have a lot of variety. Aside from that, I'm not really sure what to do and I'm struggling to get even basic ideas from the photos on the Mantic site. Anyone done anything cool with the orcs yet?
13  General Category / News & Rumours / Re: Mantic Fantasy & General News & Rumour Roundup on: July 05, 2011, 02:25:36 am
So I just noticed on the Mantic Games home page there is a painted picture of the orc shaman and his fireball. Good to see some of the details of the model! Very nice. I couln't find him anywhere else so far though.
14  General Category / News & Rumours / Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup on: July 04, 2011, 03:58:17 am
Yeah close combat I guess needs to be more of a sneaky ambush than a classic charge across an open field, sure it will still happen if you can manage to sneak close enough but overall its not going to be as effective.


But then it just becomes an exercise in dice rolling to work out who brought the biggest guns...

Not so, this is where the tactics of hiding in cover come in. Lots of cover and fire lines makes the tactics of trying to flank people to shoot them from an angle that they are exposed. I guess this really works best with quite small scale stuff, a few units on either side would work better than a couple hundred models.
15  General Category / News & Rumours / Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup on: July 03, 2011, 04:18:57 pm
Llew, I was going to try to find and reply to this on Warseer but realised it is probably a fair way back there so I'll talk about it here.

I now agree with you, Mantic have gone the way of fantasy in space from the look of their models and the beta rules so far. A real sci-fi game would be very cool, where the brutal close combat assaults like with orcs are basically useless due to the power of the guns and cover is literally essential. Even with current day technology, there is almost no close combat whatsoever in war because it is so ineffective. In reality, if a line of combat orcs went charging at even a basic unit armed with guns, they would get ripped to shreds before they got anywhere near, especially since most don't wear much or any armour.

It would be very cool to see a game that reflected this well and gave little emphasis on close combat, the guns were very powerful and standing in the open was basically a death sentence. A terrain covered 'ruined city' or something could make a very tactical and fun game, the thought appeals to me a lot.
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