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Title: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Darsc Zacal on May 21, 2011, 07:37:42 am
This is a News and Rumours Roundup for Warpath and Mantics other Science Fiction Tabletop Miniature games.

These SciFi rumours have been updated as of February 2nd, 2012.

Recent updates are in Green. Sources are from a combination of contacts within Mantic, hobby industry insiders, video and online interviews, with the odd tidbit picked up from this and other forums, and Mantics own Newsletter and Website.


PROJECT PANDORA
(http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=129795)
-Release expected for April 2012, with a prerelease unveil on February 13th.
-A "Dwarf Kings Hold in Space" style of boardgame.
-The Corporation and The 8th Race will be the miniatures contained in the game.



WARPATH MINIATURES


MARAUDERS (Space Orcs)
- The best shock troops (and mercenaries) in the galaxy.  Trained from barbarians by the Corporation, but broke away (violently) and now work for themselves.  The A-team of Warpath.


FORGEFATHERS (Space Dwarfs)
- Elite space Dwarfs based on Norse mythology.  Only race powerful enough to stand up to the Corporation.

(http://www.manticblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/drakkarim-with-Rocket-Launcher.jpg)
(http://www.manticgames.com/ImageCache/Products/1955.1.600.600.FFFFFF.0.jpeg)
- The Drakkarim(pictured above) are the next ForgeFather mini's to be released.
- Mantic is also coming out with several different Bitz packs so folks can add a bit of variety to ther units.


THE CORPORATION (Humans)
- Oppressors, intrigue, bribery, assasination, think East India Trading Company, expansion of the British Empire.

(http://www.manticblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Corporation-Ranger-Mantic-Games.jpg)
Corporation Ranger

(http://www.manticblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Corporation-Rangers.jpg)
Rangers on patrol

(http://www.manticblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Corporation-Marines-Mantic-Games.jpg)
Corporation Marines

(http://www.manticgames.com/ImageCache/Products/1914.1.600.600.FFFFFF.0.jpeg)
- Pic of a preproduction Corporation Major General mini.

(http://www.manticgames.com/ImageCache/Products/1916.1.600.600.FFFFFF.0.jpeg)
(http://www.manticgames.com/ImageCache/Products/1917.1.600.600.FFFFFF.0.jpeg)
- Pics of the preproduction Corporation Heavy Weapons Team minis.

- The first Corporation vehicle will like be something "Hummer" like.
- Ronnie has said that any tank kits Mantic might do will likely be straight resin and that they would not be cheap, but that they just might have something out in 2012.


THE 8TH RACE (Vermynn)
- Mantic is saying nothing about this race/army, except for possibly gerbils. Giant, vicious, humanoid gerbils.
- The 8th Race will actually be the 4th army released.
- The exact date of release is unknown, but given that they are expected to be one of the two races being features in a boxed game with an April release date, they should be showing up pretty quick after The Corporation.


REBS (Mixed Races)
- Breakaway from the Corporation, plus a variety of non-human races.  A rebel alliance, which may or may not involve psychic trickery and glow-in-the-dark swords.  The entire cast of the Cantina bar.  List will start mostly human (70%) but will look towards encompassing lots of aliens.  Also, could be a testing ground for new unit types.
- Order and date of release unkown.


ZZ'OR (Bugs)
- The hivelike alien menace - think Aliens, Nids, Zerg.  Not approachable.
- Order and date of release unknown.


THE PLAGUE (Space Zombies)
- Alessio is more of a fan of slow zombies.  Think Resident Evil's genetic experiments, Dawn of the Dead.  Plague causes nervous system damage most of the time, creating Zombie Hordes, although in rare cases it causes random mutations.
- Order and date of release unknown.
 

ASTERIANS (Space Elves) 
- Based very much on the concept of Grey Aliens.  Superfast ships, turn up, take specimen, vanish.  They have pointy ears.
- May have an ingame teleportation ability.
- Order and date of release unknown.



-Thanks to Warseer poster Stormcrow, we have some screen captures from a Beasts of War video of examples of concept art for some of the upcoming Warpath vehicles. Just click on the links below.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g124/toBIASFTY/beasts1.jpg (http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g124/toBIASFTY/beasts1.jpg)

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g124/toBIASFTY/beasts3.jpg (http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g124/toBIASFTY/beasts3.jpg)

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g124/toBIASFTY/beasts2.jpg (http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g124/toBIASFTY/beasts2.jpg)


That's all I have for now, but expect more updates shortly. Thanks to Mantic and all those who contributed.


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Robert on May 21, 2011, 07:44:55 am
Beasts of War have put up some of the images...

http://www.beastsofwar.com/kings-of-war/leaked-mantic-sci-fi-pictures/


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Darsc Zacal on May 25, 2011, 04:35:08 pm
Just added to the 1st Post Roundup that the first SciFi
kits will NOT be Hybrid releases. That should make a few people feel better about the upcoming line.

Still no confirmation on what races the first two kits will be however.


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: gaarew on June 03, 2011, 01:57:38 am
http://www.justin.tv/beastsofwar/b/287229513

Lots of info on Warpath.  Which is Mantic's sci-fi game, released in October.


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Darsc Zacal on June 03, 2011, 02:43:57 am
http://www.justin.tv/beastsofwar/b/28722SO513

Lots of info on Warpath.  Which is Mantic's sci-fi game, released in October.

The video doesn't work for me, but I have been reading updates of what was said.

So... Are we happy with everything?

For KoW, Goblins, Evil Elves, Humans of a yet unknown variety, are all on their way as the next 3 armies for KoW.

Following those, we'll be looking at 2 armies that will be Mantics own creation. An updated set of rules and armylists coming in a hardcover rulebook for next year.

For Warpath, Alpha rules this summer, which apparantly we'll have to pay Beasts Of War to get access to. Beta will soon follow. Space Orcs and Space Dwarfs according to Ronnies cough.

Much of this we already had a strong indication of. Still nice to hear much of it confirmed.

Anyway, I'm still waiting to see if there's anything I missed, or what else might come out or be clarified over the next few days.


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Llew on June 03, 2011, 04:57:22 am
I'm happy enough.

So far, there wasn't much there that I didn't at least *think* I already knew, but having confirmation was nice.  Having two "Mantic Original" armies for KoW was encouraging though.  They'll have all the bases covered, so it's time to take a risk here or there.

Sci-Fi is where the money is, and it's time to take shots for it.  Fantasy is what I love, but I won't begrudge them hitting Sci-Fi a bit.

As far as the ogres, I'm not terribly worried about not seeing them, and here's why: what would ogres bring to the game?  Other than being large models (which may present certain technical and cost problems), how would they play differently from, say, orcs?  I've been trying to envision what they would do to feel different, and I can't see it just yet in KoW.  They're also sort of a trap in terms of style.  If you make them just fat-bellied guys, then it's "just a GW knock-off".  If you make them entirely different, you alienate a lot of the potential customers on an army that seems to be a low draw in the first place.  So...again, it's not troubling me.

Similarly, I'm not worried about the delay in producing minis.  There are bound to be some technical issues in designing the vehicles that they would want to iron out.  Also, there are a lot of different troop types out there already, so getting ones that look slick enough to sell piles of minis to recoup the money may be tricky -- so you make sure you've got a good rule set which may tend to draw people into buying the minis in this case.  Plus, there are plenty of people who have piles of minis for games already.  For KoW, Mantic needed some way of generating money to get started and so they started selling minis.  Right now, they've got seed money.  Why not get the jump on the rules test and let the minis follow this time?

I dislike the "paid alpha" idea just in principle.  Of course, I can be bought.  I'd much rather see it be open to Mantic Fanatics only.  ;)  But also, every penny paid in website subscription fees is a penny not put towards a game.  I may do it just to get access for this, but we'll see.  My regular group are not strong fans of Sci-Fi anyways.

Overall, it wasn't earth-shattering, but I heard a lot of things I liked in it.


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Darsc Zacal on June 03, 2011, 05:45:08 am
Coming from a strong old school AD&D background, I'm still hoping to one day being able to conduct a KoW campaign based on those classic monsters... I already have two large units of Kobolds, am slowly building up minotaurs, and always have my eyes open for other monster minis that I could make units of, like Ogres. Which in my mind would play nothing like Orcs.

And I've never liked GW's take on Ogres.

I don't begrudge Mantic going scifi either, even though I've not collected minis of that genre myself. Well maybe except for some of my pulp miniatures... I've some rocketeers, like in Disneys The Rocketeer movie, and then I have a UFO model I bought too, and the Classic War of The Worlds alien spacecraft I also bought for my pulp games... Hmmm I still haven't found any suitable aliens for them yet.

Might be I'll end up collecting some mantic scifi after all. ;)


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: mattjgilbert on June 03, 2011, 12:06:39 pm
I think the move to sci-fi was inevitable. I shant be paying for access to the alpha rules though - for one thing I don't think I like that approach and I also hadn't watched BoW before: 30 minutes last night put me off watching any more on their ste.

I'm really looking forward to the KoW book. I'd really hoped they would do this and I'll not be disappointed :)


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Manticore on June 08, 2011, 03:08:41 am
The scifi stuff is looking alright. Definitely unique looking as far as what other major gaming brands are doing. I love the fact some people on other forums are raging that Mantic are copying GW when it comes to scifi... nothing looks remotely similar to what GW is doing.

I think the most exciting thing for me is that the vehicles so far look like they will be to scale with the infantry. True, don't really see the scale of the thundercat/voltron inspired half track/cat/tank/transport... ok I give up, wehatever it is but going from the other concepts it's probably going to be scaled ok.

Does the fact that a vehicle should look like it can hold whatever its transport capacity is matter to other people here?


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Darsc Zacal on June 08, 2011, 04:33:26 am
Yes. I hate to admit it, but having something out of scale on the gaming table bugs the hell out of me.

I can understand why companies often make the vehicles slightly smaller to accomidate gameplay on a reasonably sized table though. That could be one of the reasons I've never collected/played scifi.



Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Dobie on June 08, 2011, 07:29:42 pm
Alpha test rules are said to be avalilble to "Backstage Pass"-Customers of Beasts of War... well. In this case, I have to wait - and I hate it.


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: gaarew on June 08, 2011, 09:56:42 pm
Alpha test rules are said to be avalilble to "Backstage Pass"-Customers of Beasts of War... well. In this case, I have to wait - and I hate it.

If only someone had the power to email Ronnie and ask if he had anything he was willing to share with the Fanatics...

Oh, wait...


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Robert on June 09, 2011, 12:03:06 am
Well as I like to see my fellow Irishmen do well, I am a backstage subscriber (it is only the price of a pint and a couple of packets of crisps a month).

Nothing much up yet, just the names of the factions... I feel bad as I would like to tell the Fanatics but feel it would be unfair on Beasts of War as obviously this is a big part of the launch of their subscription service.


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Dobie on June 09, 2011, 11:05:19 am
@Robert: Yes, thats right. The subscripiton is not this expensive. But in my case, it would only be for the rules once... So, I will wait some 8 weeks or such longer for the offical release later on...


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: gaarew on June 09, 2011, 01:10:51 pm


Nothing much up yet, just the names of the factions... I feel bad as I would like to tell the Fanatics but feel it would be unfair on Beasts of War as obviously this is a big part of the launch of their subscription service.

We have a PM function...


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Cyporiean on June 09, 2011, 11:45:14 pm
Someone needs to tell Ronnie to not steal unit names from Brushfire ;)

And also to not to steal unit names from the Sci-Fi game we're developing that he had no idea about.. No I've got more work to do :P


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: strewart on June 10, 2011, 02:09:50 am
And Ronnie has joined the Fanatics facebook group to answer some questions for us. Should be interesting.


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Dobie on June 10, 2011, 07:27:30 am
Ok, at beasts of war, the  warpath alpha rules are ready for download...


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Robert on June 10, 2011, 08:53:09 am
I've skimmed the rules and the Army lists.  It is very similar to KoW in many respects.  Seems simple and easy to learn but will have a lot of tactical depth.  Rules for troops, armour and aircraft.


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Darsc Zacal on June 11, 2011, 01:49:41 am
I've updated the first post Scifi News and Rumour Roundup with some new images of Warpaths spacedwarf concept art.

Still Images taken from the BoW On the Table video.

(http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=112209&d=1307737352)

(http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=112210&d=1307737352)

(http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=112211&d=1307737352)

(http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=112212&d=1307737352)


Thanks to Warseer poster Sylass for the screen captures.


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Robert on June 11, 2011, 07:08:49 am
They look awesome!


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: gaarew on June 11, 2011, 08:46:11 am
I'm having a damp trousers moment.

And it has nothing to do with alcohol and/or age...


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Robert on June 12, 2011, 09:03:17 pm
From the Army Lists...names of some of the other factions!

Corporation
Rebs
Marauders - Orcs
Asterians
Forgefathers - Space Dwarfs
The Eight Race

Guesses as to what


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Darsc Zacal on June 12, 2011, 10:49:13 pm
As strewart had mentioned earlier, over on the Mantic Fanatics Facebook page, Ronnie has been answering a few questions posed by some of the Fanatics. He had this to say about the upcoming Warpath races:

- we have the outline for the first 8 races (yes, 8!). And along side some of the more core ones (humans and orcs) we are doing some that are obvious gaps - like the dwarfs - but there are a couple of total new takes on the genre and these really have us all excited -




Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Manticore on June 15, 2011, 04:31:27 am
I am pretty freakin excited about all this. Those concept Dwarfs look awesome and can only assume good things about the Orcs.
Now to read these Alpha rules... gotten with my BoW subscrition  ;) yeah... all legit like...


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: mattjgilbert on June 15, 2011, 07:54:47 am
I see a Forgefathers army in my future. And it's mine!

Love the sketches. If the models start to look like that then Mantic have won (again).


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Dobie on June 22, 2011, 12:45:29 pm
Damn it!
I guess I have to get the Backstage BoW next moth to get the rules... It sounds to good to be true...
Question is: Well, I have Orks. What to use for the Forgefathers? Just some tinkering with GW weapons and KoW dwarfs? Useing Fantasy-Minis? Marines?


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Manticore on June 27, 2011, 12:28:48 pm
The new Marauder concept looks awesome!
I hope they can pull of the sculpt as if they can get them looking absolutely awesome they are going to make a lot of cash.

As for the Alpha rules... good and clean I like them. Needs a little tweaking for points costs but no biggie. Does anyone know what kind of feedback they are getting on the BoW forums?


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Llew on June 27, 2011, 09:25:02 pm
There's a variety of feedback.  Some of it is positive, but there are a few bugaboos cropping up.  This is addressing the problem areas only, so don't take this as a big slam on the game.  For an alpha, I think it has a ton of potential, but it's going to need refining to match the high bar KoW has set.

Heavy vehicles can be made into an unstoppable force.  They're too powerful for what they offer, and you can quickly end up with "Godzilla Destroys Tokyo" as a battle report.  So there are some balance issues between vehicles and vehicle destruction.

People like the flying rules pretty well, but the air units seem to be overcosted, given that there's a good chance of having them only show up for a couple turns in the whole game.

There are a variety of arguments about LOS and Command Radius, etc.  (And I'm one of the people arguing about it.)  As it stands, the unit leaders seem to be under-important, and the LOS rules have the potential to bog down a game.  (If you shoot with a Platoon at another Platoon using terrain for cover, you'll need to draw 100 separate LOSes to determine whether or not you take a -1 penalty on shooting.    The other issue I have is that they allow all units 360° LOS, and you ignore models from your own unit.  So it means that there aren't a lot of tactical considerations to moving.  I'd like to see some sort of arc of fire come into things.  Plus, with the command radius, you can either end up with formations that would never be used in an actual engagement, or they end up looking like ranked up models.  This brings me to another issue.

This other issue I have (and one I'll probably lose on) is that everyone is very wedded to sci-fi models being on individual bases and moved that way, etc.  This is a hold-over from most sci-fi games really being skirmish games.  However, if you want a genuinely fast game, you need to be able to resolve LOS quickly and make your movements quickly.  This almost implies having some sort of unit trays, but you'd have to be more elaborate in breaking the unit into subunits, and so on.  I've proposed some suggestion on how to make this work, as well as to add some sort of firing arcs, but there's going to be an entrenched opinion about Sci-Fi = single bases that may be hard to overcome.  If it stays, it'll severely limit the speed at which you can resolve games of Warpath.


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Manticore on June 28, 2011, 02:53:26 am
yep, pretty much agree on all points including movement trays. I'll be using trays regardless and use them in 40k aswell... some companies make cool 'skirmish trays' where models are scattered on a base all within an inch of each other... for Warpath if you want to change where bfgs are in a unit etc you can just shuffle models about as the rules let you. Im all for trays!


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Llew on June 28, 2011, 03:02:30 am
Now, see, if I were Mantic, you know what I'd do about BFG'S?  Separate mini-tray or square base.  And when you bought one, you wouldn't replace a model, you'd just add that base to your unit.  It'd serve two purposes: first, it's easy to pick it out and establish it's firing arc.  (BFG's do have a firing arc in Warpath.)  Second, it's a few more minis per unit.  ;)  Granted, you could let people swap if they like, but it'd be cool if you had these BFG teams scattered through your formation.

Oh, well.  We'll see what they do.


For amusement's sake, I've placed below one of my initial posts about things I'd change:

Okay…there are a few things that have been mentioned as feeling not quite right. What I’m putting forth here is a synthesis of my ideas, other people’s ideas and so on and so forth seeing if there is something that can make Warpath feel a bit different — not just KoW with lasers. I have four over-riding goals.

1) Make it “feel” more Sci-Fi.
2) Make a difference in Shooting and Melee.
3) Make leaders matter, while avoiding the feel that it’s just ranked-up units.
4) Keep it fast to move around.

I’ll probably have to post this in chunks, so I’ll address unit bases, LOS, unit formations and movement in this post.

UNIT BASES

First, I’d recommend organizing all units in bases. There would be several different types and sizes.

All units would be built from Teams. A Team is the smallest unit. A Section equals 2 Teams. A Platoon equals 2 Sections or 4 Teams. We’re assuming 5 models per team, but this is an aesthetic choice, and some teams might be smaller. (This could be good for Command Units.)

The first team of any unit (Team, Section, Platoon) would be the Command Team and would be mounted on a Command Base. Assuming 25mm round bases, the basic size would be 60mm wide by 80mm long. Two of the corners on the same end of the base, but on opposite long edges would be clipped (imagine a 45° cut based on a 20mm square) to establish the “front” of the unit. The Leader model would be front and center on this. This would make a blunt “point” of sorts. It would help distinguish the Command Team on the field.

Additional teams would be either Shooting or Assault teams, and this would be based on the unit type. So we’d have to class units by those terms. A Shooting Team would be on a 140mm wide by 30mm high base. An Assault Team would be on a 90mm by 50 mm base, with two corners (two ends of the same long edge) clipped to establish the back of the base. (Or it could be the front, depending on what feels better.)

BFG’s would be handled on 50mm by 50mm squares, or 40mm by 40mm. It could even go smaller — whatever is comfortable. But it should be a standard size. When a BFG is purchased, don’t replace a trooper on a Team, but add a BFG base to the Unit.

LOS

No Team may draw LOS through other units, friendly or enemy.

A Command Team has a 360° LOS, and can draw through other teams in its unit.

A Shooting Team has a 90° front LOS, and can draw through other teams in its unit. If a Shooting Team’s front edge touches the back edge of another Shooting Team in it’s unit, it’s LOS is drawn based on the unit in front of it.

An Assault Team has a 90° front LOS, but drawn from the back corners. (Remember those clips? Those establish the angle.) It cannot draw LOS through other teams in its unit.

A BFG has a 90° LOS to the front, and cannot draw LOS through other teams in it’s unit.

UNIT FORMATION

A Unit may be set up in any formation so long as all Teams in the unit have bases touching. The Command Team can be at one end of the line, in the middle, at the back of a formation pushing across the field. Wherever. The only limitation is that all Teams in a Unit be touching.

MOVEMENT

Move the Command Team and pick it’s facing. Move all the remaining teams and set them down according to the Unit Formation rules above. You may pick whatever facing you like. You may have a Team that was behind the Command Team move all the way out front. You can do crazy things to gain a momentary advantage. This is intentional. (You will often pay for it next turn.)

A Team can be placed in any valid position as long as it would not have to have come within 1″ of any enemy unit to get to it’s final position. For this reason, it may be best to slide the units into position if you’re attempting to snake through an enemy line. If this can’t be done, the team immediately stops and the Command Team is moved back into contact with the blocked team.

CHARGES

All Charges are measured from the Leader model, and can be made at any unit that is within the Command Team’s LOS and within range of the Leader. (Currently 12″. Two times Speed if that comes back into the game.)

The Command Team moves into contact with the Enemy Command Team, then other units are moved into contact accordingly. (This will need more expansion later.)

Any Assault Team can charge the unit chosen by the Command Team, as long as the target was in range of the Command Team.

SHOOTING

All Shooting is measured from the closest point on the Shooting Team to the closest point on the target. If a Shooting Team cannot draw LOS to the target designated by the Command Team, it cannot fire that turn and the unit’s Fire will be reduced accordingly.

BFG’s can pick targets separate from their Unit.

WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU WANT TO DO THIS?

If we go with a system like this it does several things.

First, it makes a game of Warpath instantly visually distinct from other Sci-Fi games.

Second, it keeps movement of units very quick.

Third, it requires the commander to make tactical decisions about firing arcs.

Fourth, the bases tell you very quickly what sort of opponent you’re facing, and how he is set up in his attack or defense. You know where his leaders are, and where his shooty units are and where his assault units are.

Fifth, be letting the commander “game” his formation, he can gain a 1 round advantage, allowing for some gambits. Other changes to be discussed later will make him pay for doing odd things if the gambit doesn’t pay off.


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: gaarew on June 28, 2011, 08:05:10 am
They could always make a custom tray, that clipped together, with each half holding a 5 model squad.

If it had recesses for bases, you could keep the models separate, or glue them in place and texture the full thing.

That way, those people who were only after cheap 40k minis would be happy, those people who want to play Warpath would be happy, and those people who want the best of both worlds would be happy.


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: strewart on July 03, 2011, 04:18:57 pm
Llew, I was going to try to find and reply to this on Warseer but realised it is probably a fair way back there so I'll talk about it here.

I now agree with you, Mantic have gone the way of fantasy in space from the look of their models and the beta rules so far. A real sci-fi game would be very cool, where the brutal close combat assaults like with orcs are basically useless due to the power of the guns and cover is literally essential. Even with current day technology, there is almost no close combat whatsoever in war because it is so ineffective. In reality, if a line of combat orcs went charging at even a basic unit armed with guns, they would get ripped to shreds before they got anywhere near, especially since most don't wear much or any armour.

It would be very cool to see a game that reflected this well and gave little emphasis on close combat, the guns were very powerful and standing in the open was basically a death sentence. A terrain covered 'ruined city' or something could make a very tactical and fun game, the thought appeals to me a lot.


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: gaarew on July 03, 2011, 07:39:13 pm
But then it just becomes an exercise in dice rolling to work out who brought the biggest guns...


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Estarriol on July 03, 2011, 08:30:04 pm
strewart, you'd be suprised. there was a news item not too many years ago of the Black Watch being ambushed whilst guarding a convoy, and responding with a bayonet charge...

close combat is the exception rather than the rule, but if you're going to be involved in city fighting, or dense terrain, you'd best be prepared for close combat. Can't see that changing even hundreds of years from now.


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: strewart on July 04, 2011, 03:58:17 am
Yeah close combat I guess needs to be more of a sneaky ambush than a classic charge across an open field, sure it will still happen if you can manage to sneak close enough but overall its not going to be as effective.


But then it just becomes an exercise in dice rolling to work out who brought the biggest guns...

Not so, this is where the tactics of hiding in cover come in. Lots of cover and fire lines makes the tactics of trying to flank people to shoot them from an angle that they are exposed. I guess this really works best with quite small scale stuff, a few units on either side would work better than a couple hundred models.


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Darsc Zacal on August 11, 2011, 10:58:35 am
First pic of a ForgeFather mini is up at BoW site.

(http://www.beastsofwar.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Painted-Forge-Father.jpg)


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: mattjgilbert on August 11, 2011, 12:05:50 pm
Hell yeah, that rocks :)


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Darsc Zacal on August 13, 2011, 04:42:16 am
I've updated the News and Rumour Roundup in the first post.

Sorry for the lengthy delay guys.


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Darsc Zacal on August 21, 2011, 07:24:23 am
According to the Total Wargamer blog, Ronnie was showing off a Warpath Marauder sprue while demoing some Dwarf Kings Hold 3up games at their store today. No closeup pics of the sprue unfortunately, but as scarletsquig pointed out over at Warseer, there are a couple of still pictures of the people playing while the sprue is on the table, and another of a guy holding it. The reality though is no details can be made out.

http://www.totalwargamer.co.uk/blog/?p=1474 (http://www.totalwargamer.co.uk/blog/?p=1474)

Apparantly the sprue includes some kind of heavy weapon, a power claw, and some other options.

All it really does is remind us the release of official pics is getting closer. Speaking of... Quoted below is Ronnie from Fridays Mantic newsletter.



"However, next week we will have loads and loads of Warpath for you - including photos of a full unit of ForgeFathers, and sketches of two very interesting kits that will both be in the boxed game!

And the box cover!
*
Oh, and in the next few days you can see the work in progress on the two Army leader figures. Believe me when I say these two sculpts are truly incredible.
*
One image will appear on Beasts of War, the other on Bell of Lost Souls so keep your eyes peeled fro those - and of course both will hit the wonderous Mantic blog!"


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Hofferber on August 21, 2011, 10:50:38 am
Great news!!
I hope to see the pics soon.
Let me know if you need to buy more shelves to put more models ... my wife will almost certainly kill me.


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Darsc Zacal on September 10, 2011, 08:08:05 am
I think most people have probably seen these by now, but just in case, here's the concept art for the Marauder and ForgeFather vehicles that will be included in the Warpath Starter Set and the initial Army Deals.

(http://gallery.mailchimp.com/e62f0c35454fa3ba687404d69/images/Marauder_Raptor_Concept_Art_Mantic_Games.jpg)

(http://gallery.mailchimp.com/e62f0c35454fa3ba687404d69/images/Hailstorm_Cannon_Concept_Art_Mantic_Games.jpg)


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: lord marcus on September 10, 2011, 08:22:33 am
Brofist for the artillery.


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Darsc Zacal on September 11, 2011, 09:27:16 am
Bell of Lost Souls has an exclusive photo up of some more painted ForgeFathers.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-K6bvLlTbN8I/Tmo6Ceu7VnI/AAAAAAAAKYA/1PIQFFrnBqs/s1600/forgefather-unit-painted-warpath.jpg

I'd prefer to see some unpainted mini's though. I just can't get past the resemblence to bird beaks that this paintjob gives off.



Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: mattjgilbert on September 11, 2011, 10:13:58 am
I agree (had the same thought myself). While the standard of painting is miles better than previously, the way the armour plates on the faces has been done is not ideal.


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: lord marcus on September 16, 2011, 07:09:58 pm
Pictures of the hailstorm cannon up on BoW. I have plans for a battery of them now after seeing how awesome it really is. :)

(http://www.beastsofwar.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Forge-Father-Artillery-Gun.jpg)


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: gaarew on September 16, 2011, 09:09:45 pm
Oh.  Fuck.  Yeah!



How many are in the big deal?  6?

 ;D


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: lord marcus on September 16, 2011, 10:07:31 pm
Indeed. Battery fire is going to happen on so many levels. I can't wait. have ot get painting my stuff though!


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: mattjgilbert on September 16, 2011, 10:24:21 pm
I didn't think batteries were included


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Darsc Zacal on September 16, 2011, 10:43:26 pm
That's okay. I wouldn't use the batteries anyway.

I prefer to push the minis around around and make the BOOM! BOOM! KABOOM! noises myself. ;D


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: mattjgilbert on September 16, 2011, 11:56:53 pm
I was looking for remote control and guns that really fired :)


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Gerry Lee on September 16, 2011, 11:58:48 pm
I was looking for remote control and guns that really fired :)

Oh no, 'Little Wars' in the 21st century, ha ha ha!


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Darsc Zacal on September 27, 2011, 06:30:29 pm
*News and Rumour Alert*

This intrepid rumour keeper has been scouring the interwebz for hints of... Well pretty much anything and anyone to do with scenery ever since Ronnie gave us his little scenery "hint" on Mantics blog and uhm... beyond all expectation I think I may have just stumbled onto something that looks like a game changer... For Warpath anyway. :o

Anyone here familiar with this company and it's products? Because I have a feeling we all soon will be. ;)

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Vengeance-Miniatures/138187676248014#!/pages/Vengeance-Miniatures/138187676248014 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Vengeance-Miniatures/138187676248014#!/pages/Vengeance-Miniatures/138187676248014)

Let the speculation begin!  ;D


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: sasheep on September 27, 2011, 06:35:49 pm
Ooo now that cafe looks very nice and the moon base looks pretty interesting. Would be rather cool if they did some Mantic stuff. Good find Darsc.


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: gaarew on September 27, 2011, 07:36:09 pm
You know too much...   :o


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: mattjgilbert on September 27, 2011, 08:05:05 pm
I'll take that to mean he's right then :)


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: gaarew on September 27, 2011, 08:13:00 pm
You know too much...   :P


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Darsc Zacal on January 20, 2012, 10:05:21 pm
This was posted over on Warseer. Looks interesting.

http://www.warseer.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=129795&d=1327081318


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: sasheep on January 20, 2012, 10:20:56 pm
Looks awesome! Corp vs 8th race I take it


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Darsc Zacal on January 23, 2012, 12:55:55 am
Yes I know it's been awhile, but I've updated the First Post SciFi News and Rumour Roundup.

I expect well be seeing alot of activity on the Warpath front from Mantic this year, so I'll be keeping this updated as required.


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Darsc Zacal on January 28, 2012, 04:47:09 am
I've posted a link here in the First Post Roundup to a thread on Warseer where you can see new photos of Painted Corporation minis.

Anyone subcribed to Mantics newsletter who downloaded the Corporation Dossier would have seen these already. Anyone who isn't subscribed (and why aren't you?) should find them pretty interesting though.


Title: Re: Mantic SciFi News and Rumour Roundup
Post by: Darsc Zacal on February 02, 2012, 07:31:12 am
I've updated the first post roundup with pics that Mantic has released of painted Corporation Marines and Rangers.